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	<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:17:45 +0100</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:20:42 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Hirsi Ali: The debate about Islam has collapsed</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115231</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMSTERDAM/article/detail/266031/2009/10/31/Hirsi-Ali-islamdebat-is-mislukt.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMSTERDAM...s-mislukt.dhtml</a><br /><br />Free speech is not protected in the Netherlands. The murder of Theo van Gogh, which took place five years ago Monday, shows that the legal system is bankrupt. This is the view of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, given today in an interview with Het Parool. "He should have been forced to accept protection."<br /><br />She thinks the debate over Islam in the Netherlands is seriously off the rails because of the ongoing threats being made by Muslims. <br /><br />(Hirsi Ali is a Somali who came as an asylum seeker to the Netherlands as a young woman. She ended up becoming a member of the VVD (a right-wing party), announced her apostasy, and adopted a platform that was strongly anti-Islam.)<br /><br />She made a contraversial movie called "Submission" with Theo van Gogh over Islam's treatment of women. Theo van Gogh was later killed by a Moslem radical because of it. In a letter that was stabbed to Van Gogh's body, the killer blamed Hirsi Ali. <br /><br />(Later, Hirsi Ali was the subject of a political & media circus involving Rita Verdonk, the minister of immigration and integration at the time. Because Verdonk had made statements of principle about asylum seekers. she felt forced to take action against Hirsi Ali, her own colleague, because Ali had admitted to having lied on her asylum claim.)<br /><br />Ali fled to the US. Once there, the Dutch government refused to continue to pay for her security, so she ended up accepting money from right-wing American groups. She sued the Dutch government, but withdrew when the legal fees became too expensive.<br /><br />She told Parool: "This is an effective way to shut someone up. The danger is not me, but radical muslims."<br /><br />In the interview Hirsi Ali lashes out at government members of the time, multiculturalism supporters in parliament, and the middle of the road parties that, according to her, are still covering up integration problems. <br /><br />(If you're new here: it may seem strange that a Somali woman is attacking multiculturalism, but what she means is that she supports integration of Muslim immigrants.)<br /><br />Other current and former participants in the debate over Islam also give various differing opinions in the article about whether a debate can be held when security is needed for the debaters. <br /><br />Jurist Paul Cliteur says that the limits of the debate are being set by terrorist threats, not the Constitution. <br /><br />Apostate Muslim Ehsan Jami, who wants to sit in parliament for the PVV, receives threats every day and requires security. <br /><br />Political commentator Paul Scheffer does not feel strongly threatened by the Muslim community, but he does say, "The fact that people require protection is intolerable".]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:39:04 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[Today (2 Nov) is the 5th anniversary of Van Gogh's murder]]></title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115234</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:07:24 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Most annoying Dutch phrases</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115243</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2114025/je-ding-doen-grootste-taalergernis.html" target="_blank">http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2114025/je-ding-...alergernis.html</a><br /><br />They had a poll recently on the most annoying Dutch phrases. Here are a few of them:<br /><br />- je ding doen (the 2009 winner - 15% of the 1,900 participants picked this one)<br />- een stukje<br />- proactief<br />- zeg maar<br />- doorcommuniceren<br /><br />Phrase from last year:<br /><br />- een plekje geven <br /><br />The results are at vaagtaal.nl. Apparently men and women are annoyed by different phrases. Women dislike &#96;lichaamstaal' (meaning body language) and 'oké' when it doesn't mean anything.<br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:18:15 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Leaving the Netherlands</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hallo,<br />.... Sorry guys, this topic should not be here...<br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:02:10 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Squatters dance to protest prohibition</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115035</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENLAND/article/detail/265456/2009/10/24/Dansend-protest-tegen-kraakverbod.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/224/BINNENL...aakverbod.dhtml</a><br /><br />A national squatters' protest in Utrecht took place without violence on Saturday. The police arrested one person for public drunkenness. Thousands of protesters took part in the demonstration. The parade made its way through the middle of the busy inner city. The many people shouting and dancing surprised shoppers. They carried banners, waved flags and chanted "kraken gaat door". Families with children were also in the group. The squatters distributed "krakelingen" (a type of biscuit) and "gekraakte" nuts (The Dutch word for squatting is "kraken")]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:28:31 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Informant helps Dutch tax office</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115221</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<!--fonto:Comic Sans MS--><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS"><!--/fonto--><b>Deputy Finance Minister Jan Kees de Jager has announced that an informant has helped the Tax Office track down hundreds of Dutch people with secret savings abroad.<br /><br /></b>The Netherlands - Deputy Finance Minister Jan Kees de Jager has announced that an informant has helped the Tax Office track down hundreds of Dutch people with secret savings abroad.<br /> <br />On average, the savers were hiding hundreds of thousands of euros from the taxman using accounts in various European banks. In some cases, however, tens of millions of euros were involved.<br /><br />Some of the people in question have already received letters asking them to explain themselves.<br /> <br />De Jager says many of those involved quite deliberatedly evaded tax on large sums of money. They can expect substantial retrospective tax demands plus fines of up to 300 percent. <br /> <br />The informant will receive a reward of several hundred thousand euros.<br /><a href="http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Informant-helps-Dutch-tax-office.html" target="_blank">http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_...tax-office.html</a><br />-<!--coloro:#8b0000--><span style="color:#8b0000"><!--/coloro-->-<br />I can see a death sentence being announced on the little snitch...<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc-->]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:23:54 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Yab Yum in Amsterdam and Brussels?</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115233</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMSTERDAM/article/detail/266081/2009/10/31/Heuft-werkt-aan-nieuwe-Yab-Yum.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMSTERDAM...e-Yab-Yum.dhtml</a><br /><br />The founder and former owner of the luxury bordello Yab Yum is thinking of opening a Yab Yum in Amsterdam and Brussels. Theo Heuft (now 74) sold it in 1999. It was ordered closed recently because of links to the Hells Angels. However he's planning on opening it again in three months. And as for Brussels, he says "Yab Yum belongs in the capital of Europe."]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:58:53 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Municipal counsellor gone after illegal workers discovered</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115232</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article2402374.ece/Wethouder_weg_na_ontdekking_illegale_werknemers" target="_blank">http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article240237...gale_werknemers</a><br /><br />A municipal counsellor in the Groningen village of Bedum is resigning after an inspection revealed, for the third time, that he had hired illegal workers to work on his agrarian business. He's with the Christen Unie, a small right-wing Christian party.<br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:51:45 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>450 asylum claimants have been able to stay despite rejections</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115230</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5215672/__450_asielzoekers_mogen_toch_blijven__.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5215672..._blijven__.html</a><br /><br />State Secretary Nebahat Albayrak of Justice (effectively the minister in charge of immigration) has issued residence permits to 100 asylum claimants even though their claims had been rejected. Since she was appointed in February 2007, this makes a total of 450 times that she has used her special authority to issue the permit in "harrowing" cases. <br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:03:40 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Supermarkets to test cheap healthy food</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115223</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/Supermarkets-to-test-cheap-healthy-food_57736.html" target="_blank">http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news...food_57736.html</a><br /><br />hmm. Supermarkets in poorer areas are going trial a price reduction on healthy foods as an attempt to support people with less money to eat healthier.<br /><br />All I can visualise here are people arriving in their BMWs and Audis from the 'not so poor' areas to buy up the goedkoop products...<br /><br />Can this work?]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:48:25 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Women finding it difficult to work longer hours</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nu.nl/economie/2111575/vrouwen-beperkt-in-langere-werkweek.html" target="_blank">http://www.nu.nl/economie/2111575/vrouwen-...e-werkweek.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.scp.nl/Publicaties/Alle_publicaties/Publicaties_2009/Deeltijd_g_een_probleem" target="_blank">http://www.scp.nl/Publicaties/Alle_publica..._g_een_probleem</a><br /><br />Seventy per cent of Dutch women work. This is one of the highest levels of women participating in the workforce in Europe. Many of these women work in "small part-time jobs". However, women working part time who want to work longer hours are more often not succeeding in doing so. One out of five women who work less than 25 hours a week want to work longer, but less than half of them are able to make it happen. This is according to a publication by the "Social and Cultural Planning Office". The report's conclusion: it is possible for these women to start working longer hours, but it is not going to happen without effort. The report looked at the role of employers and getting husbands to work less or in different patterns.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:43:34 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[PvdA deputy mayor slams Bill O'Reilly]]></title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=114865</link>
		<description><![CDATA[Bill O'Reilly has a new pastime: bashing Amsterdam. Drug use is a favorite subject among his viewers, so it seems, and therefore he slams the great city of Amsterdam at every opportunity.<br /><br />PvdA deputy mayor Lodewijk Asscher strikes back in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxIwsMA0hvQ" target="_blank">this</a> Youtube video.<br /><br />Nobody disses Amsterdam and gets away with it <img src="http://forum.expatica.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:07:09 +0200</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[I Am not a Tourist....and I don't live in A'dam]]></title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115059</link>
		<description><![CDATA[I don't live in Amsterdam<br />I Don't live in the Randstad, I live in Zwolle - the boonies it seems.<br />I don't have kids, and if I did, there are no international schools close.<br />I don't globe trot as I'm already here - thus I don't need international movers.<br /><br />I DID goto the fair, and I admit I was more than a little shy at the Expatica booth (went, but didn't say anything)<br /><br />To the other people who went... how did it "feel" to you?<br /><br />Maybe it's just me (lord knows im a bit down lately, oddly NOT about being in the Netherlands for once) but I really didn't feel like the target audience, or even wanted by the vendors.<br /><br />So what was the purpose of the fair?<br />I suppose for the 100k+ people who live in A'dam and the randstad in general it was very helpful to find all these services.... that we probably don't even NEED now that we are here.<br /><br />I did have a pleasant and lively discussion about politics with the PvdA A'dam rep, which was nice.<br /><br />But for the rest I really got a unwanted feeling.<br /><br />Am I alone in that?<br />It felt like if you are already established here - in one form or another - there is really very little interest in you.<br /><br />FWIW it DID feel it was a very well put together convention thingie.<br /><br />As I don't really know where else to post this im posting it here.<br />Mods, feel free to move this to where ever.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:45:00 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Police: sick of the abuse</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115171</link>
		<description><![CDATA[A fine for tailgating is 380-450 euros. "For insulting a police officer, the average fine is only 230 euros", says Prof. Jan Naeyé of Vrije Universiteit (VU). "So you can get drunk and tear a strip off a police officer, and after a night in cells you'll pay a smaller fine than if you had been caught tailgating."<br /><br />The police are often abused. This week Naeyé said that police officers submitted 1,250 formal reports about threats and around 6,900 about insults. Last year he report a report stating that violence against police officers had tripled since 1996. Jeering and intimidation increased 600% during the same period. <br /><br />This is in line with the Justice minister's latest measures to make it easier for police officers to deal with people who do this. At this point their hands are tied and they are expected to act with reserve.<br /><br />Naeyé thinks that the fine should be 750 euros for insulting a police officer. He has looked at thousands of files to see what's happening. Some of the insults include ‘kankerlijers’ (this means 'cancer sufferer' and is close to being the worst thing you can say to a Dutch person), ‘NSB’ers’ (these were Dutch Nazis during the war) and ‘verraders’ (traitors). Other threats: 'I'll slaughter you like a sheep'.<br /><br />The professor (a former police inspector) thinks that the increase in verbal abuse comes from the common belief that people are free to say what they want. "We've developed a free society that has turned out to be free for all. Not everyone can handle it."]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:30:04 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Reflective vests for dark asylum seekers</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115001</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2107962/oplichtende-hesjes-donkere-asielzoekers.html" target="_blank">http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2107962/oplichte...ielzoekers.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/fluorescent_jackets_for_dark_r.php" target="_blank">http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009..._for_dark_r.php</a><br /><br />On the basis of a citizen's initiative, asylum seekers in the Limburg village of Tienray are being issued reflective vests to wear when they walk around at night. Residents are frightened by the fact that they can't see the asylum seekers in the dark. According to representive of the village, dark people are less visibile on the street in the evenings. It is not mandatory says the representative. It's similar to the way that people walking their dogs put on reflective vests. It's about safety and has nothing to do with racism, says the spokesman.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:41:47 +0200</pubDate>
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		<title>Harsher deportation rules for criminals</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115169</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5195996/__Vreemdeling_na_misdaad_sneller_land_uit__.html?p=12,1" target="_blank">http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5195996...t__.html?p=12,1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2901865.ece/Criminele_vreemdeling_sneller_het_land_uit.html" target="_blank">http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/artic...t_land_uit.html</a><br /><br />The two Justice ministers (Ernst Hirsch Ballin and Nebahat Albayrak) are planning to introduce stricter laws making it easier to deport aliens who have been found guilty of criminal acts. This will be discussed in cabinet today, according to sources in The Hague. If someone is sentenced to one month imprisonment, he or she will lose his residence permit if they've been in the Netherlands for less than a year. If someone is sentenced to eight years, he or she will be deported if they've been in the Netherlands for less than 20 years. People who have committed offences relating to indecency, spousal abuse, human trafficking, drugs, weapons, etc will be deported twice as fast. Children under 18 will also be deported if they get five convictions. This change was actually introduced by Rita Verdonk, but her rules were considered too harsh. Even bicycle thieves would have been deported.<br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:04:00 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>New poll: greatest Amsterdammer of all time</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115170</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5196577/__Wie_is_de_grootste_Amsterdammer___.html?p=10,1" target="_blank">http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/5196577...___.html?p=10,1</a><br /><br />Two newspapers are holding a poll to pick the greatest Amsterdammer of all time. You'll be able to vote over the internet, but there's no information about it. <br /><br />(The article has a list of a few names. <br /><br /><br />Johan Cruyff<br />Jordaan folksinger Willy Alberti<br />André Hazes<br />mayor Job Cohen<br />Salvation Army icon Major Bosshardt<br />Theo van Gogh<br />Olympic champion Fanny Blankers Koe<br />Rembrandt van Rijn<br />Floor Wibaut<br />Anne Fran<br /><br />The only two foreigners will know are Rembrandt and Anne Frank, neither of whom were born in Amsterdam. So you just have to have lived there...)]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:09:20 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Balkenende the first presdent of the EU?</title>
		<link>http://forum.expatica.com/index.php?showtopic=115168</link>
		<description><![CDATA[It looks like it's between Balkenende and the prime minister of Luxembourg. Others are still in the running though. They've apppointed a three-person committee to decide.<br /><br />Who on earth would replace Balkenende?<br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8333192.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8333192.stm</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1309672.ece/Naam_Balkenende_nu_echt_genoemd" target="_blank">http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/articl...nu_echt_genoemd</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/europa/article2901388.ece/Brusselse_kansen_Balkenende_stijgen.html" target="_blank">http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/europa/article2...de_stijgen.html</a><br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:49:03 +0100</pubDate>
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		<title>Two shot Englishmen themselves arrested for manslaughter</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/7/MISDAAD/article/detail/265581/2009/10/27/Neergeschoten-mannen-in-ziekenhuis-gearresteerd.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/7/MISDAAD/a...rresteerd.dhtml</a><br /><br />Two Englishmen shot in De Baarsjes on Monday have been arrested in the hospital. They are suspected of having commited manslaughter.  The Amsterdam police are not saying much about the case and whether the men shot back at their attacker. The manslaughter suspicion is connected to the incident on Monday. One of the Englishmen has since been released from hospital; the other's condition is stable. The two men were shot while sitting in a car in the Vespuccistraat. One was hit immediately. The other tried to run away but he was chased and shot in the Bartholomeus Diazstraat. The shooter escaped in a car.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:08:22 +0100</pubDate>
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