canyonranch2001
Oct 20 2007, 12:28 AM
russea
Oct 20 2007, 03:39 AM
WGAF!This is the democratic forum,not the Libertarian nutcase forum.Start your own.
canyonranch2001
Oct 20 2007, 03:54 PM
The only political statement on the wall in Congressman Dr. Ron Paul's office is from Grover Cleveland, a two-term President elected by the Democratic Party with the help of the mugwumps from the Republican party.
It is better to be defeated standing for a high principle than to run by committing subterfuge.
Grover Cleveland
Congressman Dr. Ron Paul is an honest man with integrity who will follow the U.S. Constitution. Many of us are even considering a Democrat for his running mate. Ron Paul has a broad spectrum of support.
We would like you to join us.
www.RonPaul2008.com
Thank you.
WinschotenVlinder
Oct 22 2007, 09:02 AM
The discription of this group states that you don't have to be a Dem to post here.
So for my opinion.. I like Ron Paul. I don't consider anyone who believes in the Constitution to be a nut case and I think anyone who doesn't believe in the Constitution isn't a real American. I'm a democrat.. but I'm becoming more and more disappointed with the dems... they will have to really win me over this year.
kevin1971
Oct 22 2007, 12:04 PM
Discuss whatever you like here. As long as it politics it seems good to me.
I wonder how Ron Paul is polling.
canyonranch2001
Oct 22 2007, 03:00 PM
Ron Paul obtained 38% of the votes after the most recent debate.
kevin1971
Oct 22 2007, 04:05 PM
Where?
Texas 14th district?
You know what a straw poll is? Ron Paul got 9.1% in Iowa.
"The Ames, Iowa, Republican Straw Poll is generally regarded as the most meaningful straw poll during the presidential campaign because of its large voter turnout and relatively high media recognition, as well as Iowa's being the first state to vote in caucuses before the primaries.
In the former, in 2007, one had to buy a $35 ticket to vote. In the latter, one had to have been a former delegate or alternate delegate. Both are run by private organizations, and thus are not subject to public oversight. All such factors make straw polls completely unscientific, hence unlikely to accurately measure group opinion."
Stephan Colbert is polling higher.
kevin1971
Oct 22 2007, 04:14 PM
The latest Rasmussen Reports survey of Republican Congressman Ron Paul's electoral strength shows him trailing top Democratic candidates by double digits. Senator Hillary Clinton leads Paul 48% to 38% (although among male voters, Paul lags Clinton by only two points).
Senator Barack Obama leads the Republican Congressman 50% to 38%.
Paul has gained ground since beginning his presidential campaign as a virtual unknown outside of his congressional district and some libertarian and conservative circles.
But the enthusiasm of supporters, his strength in GOP straw polls, and his surprising fundraising ability have yet to make him competitive in either GOP-nomination or general-election match-ups. In Iowa, Paul attracts just 2% of the vote and he has yet to top 3% in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
If Paul somehow manages to overcome long odds and win the Republican nomination, just 17% of Republicans and 12% of all voters think Paul has any chance of winning the general election. As the Republican nominee, only 4% believe Paul would be Very Likely to win in November 2008.
Still, Paul's showing against both Clinton and Obama has improved moderately since July. Then, Paul lagged Clinton by 15 percentage points, Obama by 20.
Paul is viewed favorably by just 26% of all voters, unfavorably by 32%. In April, only 14% had a favorable opinion of him.
Rasmussen Reports has not gauged perceptions of Paul's ideology. But he is known as a libertarian and gold bug who in Congress continually casts a lone nay vote in protest of legislation he regards as unconstitutional. In the GOP field he is conspicuous for his opposition to the war in Iraq.
The Paul campaign has reported that it raised about $5 million over the summer and at the end of September had $5.3 million on hand.
canyonranch2001
Oct 22 2007, 06:51 PM
Actually 34% of the voters after the debate thought Ron Paul won the debate.
You may notice Huckabee's second place finish. The evangelical christians appear to be strong supporters of Huckabee and over 25% of the voters in the USA are evangelicals.
See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjp5ngebo84...l.com/node/3949
kevin1971
Oct 23 2007, 10:23 AM
Oh, dear, a very large part of me wants to ask you to make a wager on ron Paul's chances of success.
But I think if I condone gambling in this forum I will have to delete my own posts!
Actually it's good to see someone get fired up about any candidate.
You are all registered to get your ballot right?
www.votefromabroad.org
canyonranch2001
Oct 23 2007, 02:37 PM
Many Democratic voters are actually registering as Republicans just so that they can vote for Ron Paul in the primary. They say that they will switch back after the primary. I think that they want the U.S. Constitution and a cessation of these interventionist wars.
kevin1971
Oct 23 2007, 03:26 PM
Wow, have both of the Democrats in Texas done that?
Bad joke. Very bad joke.
But seriously, I hope Ron Paul does well there.
He is certainly a favorite son.
kevin1971
Oct 23 2007, 03:40 PM
35% of American's have no health insurance.
How high so you think that number will go up to when Ron Paul shuts down the federal government?
canyonranch2001
Oct 23 2007, 11:43 PM
knows a great deal about providing health care and how to lower the cost of health insurance. Having the government control it generally neither increases the availability nor the quality of the health care.
kevin1971
Oct 24 2007, 12:39 PM
You do live in the Netherlands?
I find that assertion ridiculous.
Having the government control health care gives 100% of people access and controls cost (ie greedy doctors).
neutral2
Oct 24 2007, 01:05 PM
("kevin1971")
You do live in the Netherlands?
I find that assertion ridiculous.
Having the government control health care gives 100% of people access and controls cost (ie greedy doctors).
Amen to that.Ron Paul believes in no government involvement whatsoever in regards to healtcare.If he accepted such contributions he'd be flooded by the Healthcare/pharmaceutical people.(maybe that's one SMALL point in his favor- the democrats,especially Hillary have already been bought)It's very easy to be blinded by the seemingly progressive attributes of this character,but the underlying philosphies are the most conservative of all candidates,and that's one thing he's rarely honest about.
canyonranch2001
Oct 24 2007, 04:08 PM
Neutral2, Ron Paul has stated quite clearly and his record shows that he is indeed fiscally conservative. He believes in a smaller federal government.
Ron Paul stance is socially liberal. He believes that the federal govenment should not be controlling personal, moral and ethical decisions of the citizens of the USA. He believes as Justice William O. Douglas has so eloquently stated.
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
And that is why you have such a broad spectrum of support for this candidate. Because left, right, white, black, asian, native american or expatriate the supporters of Ron Paul believe in freedom, liberty and the dignity of the individual citizen.
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