I will put it to a vote. That's democratic anyway.

Should I start deleting Canyon's posts?

I don't mind debate, I encourage it. But it seems like no one wants to debate his posts.

I can't really understand why he wants to canvas for Ron Paul here, if he has found one supporter I would be more understanding.

All I seem to see are long clipped posts no one wants to read or reply to. It is starting to look like spam.

Canyon, you get a vote too.

http://www.nhasks.org/


As you can readily see, Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate willing to answer the questions of the New Hampshire voters.

We have one honest forthright presidential candidate. We both prefer honest dialogue.

Nuke away!
please feel free to clean up!
But to be fair, keep it limited to pruning his "ron paul is god" posts.
somewhere he must have good posts... no idea WHERE they are but.,..

I vote we listen to him. He warned us ahed of time on several issues.

Ron Paul is Surging.
Quarter 1, he raised only $640,000. What you would expect from someone with no chance.

Quarter 2, he brought in $2.4 million. Not bad for someone smalltime.

Quarter 3, he raised over $5 million. Now people start paying attention to him, he may take away some votes.

Quarter 4, Ron Paul is on pace to bring in $17,158,841 by Dec. 31st. (source, ronpaulgraphs.com) Wow.

If any candidate multiplies their funds x 26.8 in nine months, what does that tell you? It is absolutely amazing how fast his support is growing.

I've pretty much stopped reading posts here because of this guy. It's political spam. If you read the boards here, there's no real debate, it's just a continuous news feed from the PR news releases of one politician.

So yes, nuke him, please.

- Kevin

We are not required to read the posts. I, for one, ignore them. But censorship? Not a real fan of that.

I vote no for now.

No, you're not required to read them, but you are required to sift through the sheer volume.

My name is Marc Whittemore. I started the original grassroots group ObamaLA and carried it until it was 2,500 people strong. Having done substantially more homework now I am inclined to switch my vote.

Make no mistake about it -- I think Obama would make an AWESOME President -- far better than any other stale "part of the problem" Democrat running. However. in case you have not noticed America is picking up "flush momentum" and going down the tubes FAST. We no longer have time for rehearsals or inexperience. We MUST get it right and get it right this time. We don't even have the luxury of voting along party lines if we are to get it right.

And so. Even more surprising is that for the first time in my 32 years of voting I will be voting for a Republican president. And that Republican is Ron Paul. Listen people. And take the time to listen CLOSELY to Ron Paul -- because, like the last, we can ill afford one more drastic idiot mistake in the White House. Lives depend on making the right choice -- indeed our entire nation depends on the right choice this time.

Sincerely,
Marc Whittemore
Los Angeles, CA

You're in Los Angeles? That brings an entirely new level of obnoxiousness to the table. Apparently you didn't notice that this is an expat board for people in the Netherlands.

If we want an RSS feed of the latest Ron Paul press release, we can subscribe to that elsewhere. This is supposed to be a forum for expats to discuss their concerns and thoughts. It's not supposed to be a megaphone direct from the US, from people who are apparently desperate to find an audience wherever they can get it.

- Kevin

If he really is out of LA, then NOT ONLY do his posts NEED to be ALL NUKED!, then, so does his account for violation of TnS!

this post was taken direct off the website: http://www.obamala.com/

perhaps you will like their candidate.

SANDPOINT -- Presidential candidate Ron Paul is regarded in some sectors of the national media as a political afterthought, but he appears to be enjoying folk hero status in Bonner County.
Paul, a diminutive Republican congressman from Texas, has yet to reach the top rung of Republican presidential hopefuls, at least according to the most recent national Gallup poll, which has him in sixth place with 5 percent support.

Even with those less than stellar numbers, Paul has collected an impressive amount of campaign contributions -- $8 million and counting -- and is gaining a large following of impassioned supporters, many of whom live in North Idaho.

Even a cursory look around town reveals the inordinate amount of Ron Paul banners and stickers that dot the landscape and bumpers of Bonner County residents.

Supporters use the Web site Meetup.com to plan rallies, demonstrations and meetings to share their thoughts on the man they hope will be president.

The largest Meetup.com groups in Sandpoint, Priest River and even Spokane are all related to Ron Paul.

Two of Paul's most loyal Bonner County supporters are Charles Johnson and Cornel Rasor, both of Sandpoint.

"Ron Paul's message cuts across party affiliations. The freedom message is attractive," said Rasor, who identifies himself as a Republican, but a disgusted one.

Both Johnson and Rasor have studied Paul's platform and have yet to find an issue that they disagree with, and both men have donated to Paul's candidacy.

"He's for by-the-book constitutionality, he believes in privacy and he wants to solidify our financial system," said Johnson, who identifies himself as a political independent.

By all measures, a Ron Paul presidency would be an amazing political upset, but that does not deter locals from spending time, money and energy on the campaign.

"I wouldn't be involved if I didn't think there was a chance for him to win. It's a long shot, but there is a chance," said Rasor, who sees Paul as the only Republican candidate who could beat the Democrats' nominee.

Verna Brady, chairman of the Bonner County Republican Central Committee, said that while her organization does not endorse candidates before the primaries, she said they will throw their support behind Paul if he wins the GOP nomination.

"His appeal is that a lot of people -- Democrats, Republicans, independents -- are tired of the system and are ready for a change," Brady said.

Paul's connection to North Idaho is not without controversy, as demonstrated by last week's federal raid on Sunshine Minting of Coeur d' Alene, which produces "Ron Paul dollars."

While Paul has no direct affiliation with Sunshine Minting, simply being associated with a federal raid would most likely spell disaster for other presidential candidates, but neither Rasor nor Johnson said the raid has any affect on their support for Paul.

I have the impression this canyonranch guy isn't an actual person, just a bot posting news feeds.

which, sadly, would be a compliment, because if he was a person, he'd be a sad, pathetic one.

not an original thought in his head it would seem.

Regarding Canyonranch ---

Like Paul or not, Paul is a candidate.

To quote James Carville on meet the press 25 Nov - I think this Ron Paul phenomena is, is very real. I saw him last night on Bloomberg. He’s going to raise over $12 million in his quarter. I obviously don’t think he’s going to win, but he’s going to be a determining factor in this thing. This guy has got a real following now.

I do not know enough about Paul to have an informed opinion. But I have an opinion regarding muzzling politicians or the supporters. Banning this person and/or their topics is nothing more than censorship. Lets avoid this one.

My first reaction was get rid of the posts but after reading through other people opinions about censorship etc... I must say they have a valid point. However obnoxious I think he is and there is no way I would ever vote for Ron Paul and no amount of copy paste of newspaper articles will ever change my mind, as long as he isn't breaking any forum rules has a right to post....
Please tell me he broke some kind of forum rules that makes it necessary to delete the post LOL

and if you think a rule was broken, please copy and paste the specific T&C.

I have to say that I have been somewhat disappointed in this forum as there seemed to be nothing more than a campaign for Ron Paul and nothing more. I was hoping to hear some feedback from the debates and other information about all democratic candidates but somehow everyone has seemed to be quiet except for canyon and Ron Paul. I would dearly like to hear other information and discussion about the Democratic nominees.

Feedback can be found on CNBC, CNN, etc. CNBC carries Meet the Press on Sunday.

Thank you..yes I know that..I read it every day from all those sources and more. Just thought that I would see some of that on this forum also.

Sun,

I think this guy is a Spambot not a person.

He never really directly answers questions.

His IP addresses are from Virginia.

Isn't that a violation of TOS?

which tos?

and I know of no rule that limits the geographic location of posters. Maybe we need one. I know a fe countries we could get rid of.

Hey Kev,
I did some research on spam bots and came up with the following article:

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot

I think you are right - these posts to seem to be coming from a spam bot. Other forums in the states have started banning certain Ron Paul posts for this exact reason.

They are polluting the system and making this forum less enjoyable for many.

I think maybe Canyon should be given one change to respond in a normal way (not posting of a copied magazine article) to prove that he is a real person but I suspect this is someone who's computer has been hacked by a spambot and has no idea that all these messages are being posted in his name.
If no normal answer comes from a real person then I say ERASE ALL MESSAGES AND BAN HIM!

And, sad to say...he isn't a spambot. Do a search on his old messages...he used to live here....

But it could still be a spam bot because what the spam bot does is hack peoples computers and posts messages in their name without them knowing it. So if this is a real person and he doesn't want to be banned then he should be capable of proving it by having a normal conversation rather than posting copies of newspaper articles.
If I felt so strongly about something then I would be prepared to use my words to state my position rather than only posting newspaper articles....

I think our posts crossed in the sending, caroline! I didn't see yours before I responded and they are about a minute apart!

I didn't know about he hacking part...hmmm...I wonder...

Not to defend the posts, which are mainly cut and paste, but I did get a few personal replies from the guy after postings critical of Ron Paul.He even asked me to refrain from posting in one of them.That said there are a lot of forums being mercilessly attacked by Ron Paul spam.

I just did a search...He was posting up to July of last year about Dutch issues...On the whole usually without capitalization.

This is the first Ron Paul thread started three months later...again with no caps:

http://my.expatica.com/c:nl/forum/viewtopi...ghlight=#744519

He seemed to have lost his own voice after that thread. Possible that he was an honest supporter who then got hacked?

That's what I'm thinking..... this was once a legit poster who's been hacked. Spambotting seems to be a real problem created by Paul supporters.

Perhaps it is because more Democrats support Ron Paul than any other Republican candidate that there is concern here. If you had supported Kucinich or Gravel that would be less of a problem.



Zogby Analyst Says Ron Paul Strongest Contender to Beat Hillary
Texas Congressman's popularity amongst Democrats, Independents outstrips Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, Paul is only chance of smashing Bush-Clinton power monopoly



Zogby's Director of Communications and polling analyst Fritz Wenzel says that Congressman Ron Paul is the strongest of the Republican frontrunners to go up against Hillary Clinton, underlining the fact that the rest of the field are just ringers as the establishment prepares to install Clinton and prolong the Bush-Clinton power monopoly.

"Among Democrats, yes, he would be a much stronger candidate than any of the other three (Romney, Giuliani, Thompson)" Wenzel said.

A new Zogby poll commissioned by Jones Productions found Ron Paul the GOP winner in a blind poll that included Democrats, Republicans and Independents nationwide.


"He is anti-war and the majority of Democrats are anti-war, he has some other ideas and policies and stances on issues more attractive to Democrats, particularly conservative Democrats," said Wenzel.

"Even among independents, he is far and away a more attractive candidate," he added.

As we have highlighted before , Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who will not seek to lead the U.S. into a military confrontation with Iran, something that leading Democrats Obama, Clinton and Edwards have all vowed to keep "on the table."

Ron Paul voted against the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act, both of which were supported by Hillary Clinton.

Every other Republican candidate besides Ron Paul stands no chance of coming out on top if they go up against Hillary Clinton for the 2008 presidency.

Wenzel agreed that Ron Paul's momentum is something that outstrips all the other candidates and gives him a real chance of performing well.

"He's right on schedule," Wenzel said. "He's making all the right moves, going in the right direction...at a time when other candidates are not moving."

Wenzel based his analysis on recent nationwide polls that show Ron Paul could win in New Hampshire and find his support intensifying with room to gain.

"Here's why his timing is almost perfect. He's moving up...but it's not so early that he's going to get a big backlash," Wenzel added.

"6 weeks to 8 weeks out before an election is about the time if you're going to make a big move from the back to the front-- that's when you want to make it," he concluded.

Of course, who believes a Zogby poll anyway. Let us just se if we can turn this giant ship of state back towards a true republic. Please make Jefferson, Madison, Washington and Franklin proud and vote for Ron Paul.

Great, another copy paste of a newspaper article.....

I'm going to have to go with a No vote for now, but I'd like it if canyon would/could give us some of his own thoughts insteadof just copy & paste like the is no tomorrow.

So Canyon, what is Ron Paul going with my inflation prone US dollars that I donated to RP that are left over after the elections? is he going to donate it to the hungry kids in Norway or buy a bar in Florida or what?




edit: oops, forgot a word

I feel as if I'm in the middle of a bad Star Trek episode...

McCoy: "JIM!! They've taken his brain and replaced it with a tribble!!"

Kirk: "McCoy, what if you replace it with a dilithium crystal?"

McCoy: "Jim, I'm a doctor, not a jeweller!!"

Scotty: "C'ptn!! We cannae do nothin'! His head's about to BLOWWW!!"

Canyon: "Ron Paul will take over your primitive planet, earthlings. Your phasers are powerless to stop him. Paul is the only chance of smashing Bush-Clinton power monopoly." *whrrrrrrr-click*

That's hilarious!

Okay Canyon.

Here is what the group seems to agree on.

We welcome your posts on Ron Paul.

When they are your posts.

No more clipped and uncredited articles.

No one really likes it.