Muslims raped 13-year-old flemish girl in Belgium

Brothers arrested for rape
22 March 2007
BRUSSELS - The juvenile court in Bruges has placed three brothers from Middelkerke in custody for the rape of a 13-year-old girl. The boys, aged 15, 16 and 17, raped the girl from their neighbourhood repeatedly over the course of a year.
The facts came to light when the mother of the victim suspected something notified the police. The authorities arrested the three boys and brought them before the juvenile court.
The boys are of Muslim background and when questioned said they would never have raped the girl had she been Muslim.
The eldest has been placed in the juvenile detention centre in Everburg. The two other brothers will remain in the juvenile facility in Ruiselede.

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What can anyone say to the barbarity of this act. Beyond the repeated rapes itself over the course of a year, the fact that the Muslim boys stated that they would never have raped a Muslim girl, as opposed to a non-Muslim girl, is also horrifying in its ramifications.

So I guess it's ok to live in a non-Muslim country that has allowed immigration (assuming they emmigrated to Belgium but regardless) and to embrace Islam, which has so many non-Muslim defenders), which means you can treat young females in Belgium as rapable infidels.

This post about these boys' actions fills me with such fury that it is hard to contain. They should be harshly punished - rape to me is a form of murder and should not be downplayed or mollycoddled in any way. They should be given life in prison - period. There simply IS NO JUSTIFICATION for this criminal act. The young girl will never be the same and little will make it right. Further, the fact that they were/are Muslim does not excuse or make me feel one degree of sympathy for these boys.

I agree. I think they should consider the possibility of trying these 3 as adults, if sufficient intent to commit malice is proven. In my view, this crime needs to be treated as a hate crime, considering one of the statements made by the perpetrators.

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Raping repeatedly over the course of a year should in itself suggest malice and it is just one more instance where 17 years old (15 & 16, too) are, in my opinion, old enough to be tried as adults. Had this been once, it might be viewed differently but over and over...

Btw, another case where a 17 yr old is involved and is getting off almost without penalty is the murder of the youth over the MP3 player at Central Station. The parents have lost a son, but the court still sees one of the assailants as a boy.

On another note, the German Muslim woman who was being beaten repeatedly by her Moroccan husband - the German judge, using the Koran, decided that women are the husband's property to discipline as he might - can you believe this? I can't believe this judge did not impose German law.

Are there no rights left in this world for victims?

While this story is sad, let's not forget that rape is not a typical muslim thing and that for every "muslim rapes white girl case" I can give you two other cases in which the rapists are respectable white family men. In case we had forgotten, Marc Dutroux was a white middle class Belgian much respected by his neighbours...

According to Belgian law, trying minors as adults is always the exception. Children below the age of 16 will always, under all circumstances be tried by the "youth judge" (juge de la jeunesse / jeugdrechter). If necessary, he will order a re-educational, psychological treatment for the young delinquent in a specialised institution. The same rule generally applies to delinquent youngsters between the ages of 16 and 18. The law permits one exception, though: only when the young delinquent is between the ages of 16 and 18, and when the youth judge is absolutely convinced that no psychological treatment will be of any use, he will pass the youth's file to the Public Prosecutor who, on his turn, will criminally charge the 16 to 18 year old delinquent before one of the the "adult" criminal courts. Note that the seriousness of the crime is irrelevant for the youth judge to decide whether or not the youth should be tried as an adult. The only element on which the youth judge may form his decision is the following question: is there, no matter how horrible the crime committed, any chance that this young delinquent might be re-integrated into our society through a re-educational, psychological treatment, yes or no? Belgian legislation refuses to give up onto its children. It doesn't believe that children are malice. It believes that when a youngster commits a crime, it is us as a society who have failed in educating this child and that it is therefore our joint responsibilty to re-educate it in stead of punishing it for something it can't be hold responsable for. There's a reason why the Belgian law that deals with juvenile delinquence is called the Juvenile Protection Act (Loi relative à la protection de la jeunesse / Wet op de Jeugdbescherming).

As for the MP3 stabbing in the Central Station: yes, the stabbing of that young boy was a tragedy. But no matter how tragic this might be, legally it's all irrelevant to answer the question of whether or not the underage accomplice should be tried as an adult. Like I said, the only relevant question is whether a psychological treatment in an institution for disturbed youngsters will be of any use. The Brussels youth judge, after having meticulously analysed the entire police file, after having listened to psychiatric experts and having heard the arguments of both the Public Prosecutor and the defence, answered this question positively. Who are we to question him? We haven't read the police file or the psychiatric reports. Apart from some vague, emotional and inaccurate newspaper articles written in a period of mass hysteria, we know nothing about this case. So who are we to judge?

By the way: this ruling only concerned the accomplice. The boy who actually stabbed the victim will be tried as an adult before the Crown Court (Cour d'assises / Hof van assisen). As for the accomplice, the Public Prosecutor has appealed against the youth judge's ruling, so it's still possible that the ruling is revised by the Court of Appeal. Until the final outcome of this case hasn't been decided, it's better not to cry foul...

quicky, thanks for your detailed explanation about the Belgiian judicial process. While I can understand their reasoning, I am dubious about the re-education process that constitutes reforming the criminal involved in this act. And reforming society so that this sort of crime doesn't occur does not seem to be working or there would be no more rapes.....

My thinking is this: rape is not nor ever has been a consentual act, whether one time or on a repeated basis - whether in this country or any other country in the world. It goes on every second of every day somewhere. At one time in the US, rape was even a capital offense. I will have to research when that changed.

Having worked with many, many teens, I have seen the most egregious behavior that is violent and often mindlessly motivated. (Let's kill so and so for his sneakers). The teen's family and society may be at fault because so little worth seems to be attached to teaching values and downplaying materialism, but that doesn't really seem to be working well. I'm sure the victim's families right about now feel like only the assailants have rights - certainly not their victim children. I don't have the answers but I certainly feel that with teens - they literally CAN get away w/murder. :evil:

I agree that trying to re-educate these youngsters may not always a great success. But unfortunately, there is no alternative. In these re-educational institutions, there's at least a chance for improvement. If you really want to be 100% sure to screw a juvenile delinquent up, then send him to prison. Eventually, there will be a day when you have to release him and when you do, he'll come out worse then when he got in.



Well, I guess it depends on what one defines as the family's rights. It is their right to get moral and financial compensation for the loss of their son through civil damages. But there is no such thing as an individual "right to punish", they can't claim it is their right to see the killer and his accomplice punished for the killing of their son. Criminal law is a matter of public interest. Under the rule of law it is the State's monopoly (represented by the courts) to punish an individual, following the principles of due process. Private punishment, vengeance and "an eye for an eye" should be left where they belong: in the Middle Ages.

quickie, I understand what you are saying from a legal and humanistic perspective about the juvenile delinquents, but I'm not sure I understand what constitutes their legal re-education. I'm not advocating old testament fire and brimstone, I just think you have to look at it from this view: would you feel the same if the victim were one of your family members?

I definitely agree that these boys need to be educated to the fact that what they did was wrong - didn't they admit they would never have done this to a Muslim girl? So you think that cutting off their genitalia would be too harsh? I think that would certainly educate them!!!! But then, I feel very, very, very strongly about this. :cry:

In all honesty? Probably not. :wink: But that's the whole point of having a legal system: by taking the right to punish away from ordinary citizens like you and I and giving it to an independent third party (the judiciary), we avoid that people who are too directly involved have to decide on these kind of matters. If I were the victim, I would be guided by vengeance and my ruling would be unfair. Seeing the punishment of criminals in terms of personal revenge for the victim, would only create even bigger frustrations and eventually bring us into a downwards spiral of violence. A society can only start to heal its wounds after a fair trial. The best guarantee for a fair trial is an impartial, uninvolved judge who can look at the facts from a distance. Like the Romans said: "Nemo iudex in sua causa." (No-one can be the judge of his own case).



Yes, I think that would be too harsh Cutting things off people is barbaric and, thank goodness, history in this part of the world. What's more, it's pointless. Apparently, these boys feel some kind of rage against "the West". You won't take away that rage by cutting off their testicles. The next time, they might no longer be able to rape a white girl, but in stead they'll torture her or strangle her or cut her throat. So what have we, as a society, have gained by cutting off their testicles? Nothing. You won't solve a problem (rape) by fighting the symptoms (genetalia), you have to dig for the underlying cause. Why have they done this and why do they think in such a horrible way? Depending on the answer to the question (mental illness, pure malice, formerly abused as a child...) the courts have to impose the most suitable measure (prison sentence, re-educational programme, hospitalisation, labour sentence, etc.). The outcome won't be a 100% success story, but... there's no alternative.

They should be castrated

hmmn, for some reason my post was deleted.... anyone know why? It wasnt even controversial or anything...

Apparently expatica buggered up their backups over the weekend & inadvertently deleted a large number of posts. See the admin post under International News / Kathaksung's thread.

I don't want to be politically incorrect or contreversial here but this is a bit of a Muslim "speciality" and there have been numerous incidents of this in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

How tragic this event might be for the people involved, this individual crime is completely irrelevant for our society as a whole. What is the point of discussing this, another attempt for stirring up hatred?

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What an absolutely assinine comment to make. There is nothing irrelevant about this 'individual crime' and your attempt to sweep it under the rug. Society is made up of individual actions and the comments are meant to censure those youth involved - not an entire group. But how nice and convenient to simply dismiss a hideous crime such as this toward a young female and to claim it is irrelevant just because you like to defend Muslims.

And we must never forget that females are second class citizens - property - so, treat this year long crime as 'irrelevant.' Good job.

1 THIS POST JUST WANT US TO FEEL BAD ABOUT MUSLIMS..NOT TO TELL US ABOUT THIS tragic event...ITS SOUNDS FROM THIS POST LIKE ALL MUSLIMS DO THE RAPE ...Muslims raped 13-year-old flemish girl in Belgium
2 IF IT BEEN DONE FOR ONE YEAR WHY THE GIRL DIDNT TEL HER MOTHER ABOUT IT ? or she was a part of it
3 IF THIS BOYS CARE OR KNOW ABOUT ISLAM THEY WILL NOT HAVE SEX OUT OF MARIAGE AS ISLAM SAYS ..NOT THEY WILL FIND A GIRL THAT IS NOT A MUSLIM TO RAPE .... YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIM

What a strange and inappropriate response you have just made. If you were able to get beyond the title and actually read the post, you would see that 3 brothers admitted they had repeatedly raped the girl over a year and they further stated that had she been Muslim, they would not have done so.

Females, and particularly a young 13 year old female, are sometimes frightened to tell about sexual abuse and are further frequently threatened with death to them or family members if they should tell. This has been the case for decades and many, many articles and documentaries have delved into this.

It's an abomination that these 3 brothers did this, but for you to simply carry on about how everyone is being unfair to them simply because they are Muslim is beyond absurd. Of course, no one is accusing ALL Muslims of misconduct such as this, but you are incredibly naive if you think that many Muslims, upon arrival to Europe from the Middle East, do not drink alcohol, engage in sexual acts even though they're married, and eat food they're not supposed to eat. Hypocritical - yes.

Simply view the crime for what it is and stop sticking up for egregious, criminal behavior in order to defend scumbags!

1 I DIDNT defend WHAT THEY DID .. IM TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC OF THIS POST MUSLIMS RAPE....WHY USING MUSLIMS
2 SHE IS UNDER AGE AND THE 3 KIDS ALSO UNDER AGE TOO ..
3 IF THE brothers admitted AS YOU DID SAY OR THE POST SAY they had repeatedly raped the girl over a year ..NO BODY TALK OR ADMITTED THAT SHE WAS frightened BY THEM ... SO YOU ARE JUST MAKING THINGS
4 IF YOU REALLY WORRY ABOUT KIDS AND YOU ARE NOT incredibly naive LIKE ME; GO TO THAILAND . MALAYSIA INDONESIA .... AND LOOK AROUND WHO USE KIDS OF 6 YEARS FOR SEX BOYS AND GIRLS ...IN BALI ISLAND FOR EXAMPLE AUSTRALIANS ARE THE FIRST COSTEMERS FOR KIDS
AND FOR SURE YOU KNOW WHO SOPORT SITES IN THE NET OF KIDS SEX
4 AND FOR MUSLIMS DRINKING AND FUCKING AROUND ..THEY DO IT AT HOME BEFOR COMING TO THE EU AND THEY LEARN IT FROM MANY WAYS .. ONE OF THIS WAYS maybe YOUR WAY OF LIFE your superior way
AND ONE MORE THING IF THIS MUSLIMS DO DRINK AND FUCK AROUND WHY YOU TAKE THEM AS a PROVE OR example OF ISLAM IF YOU KNOW THAT THER ARE NOT ISLAM TEACHING

evry one has his way of life and as we respect the western we dont want to copy it to ower life

I don't know where you're from but I can't make any sense out of what you're saying at all. End of story.

the crime described is despicable and the perpetraters should be punished. Islam has little to do with it, and including it like the original thread post adds little value to a decent conversation