How typically arrogant, Dutch bureaucrats are trying to get a larger country to change its nationality laws to suit Dutch policy priorities which have been a miserable failure by any stretch of the imagination. Instead of changing the policy, their answer is to go ask other people to bend themselves to the desires of the Dutch. (Not that they care what kind of an effect this would have on people in France, Belgium and other countries!)

I have every confidence that Maroccan authorities will the Dutch pen pushers what to go do with themselves. I know what my country's government has done (said go f*** yourselves).

So, why not go with what everyone else is doing? (Allowing dual nationality...) No! Not possible! Dutch policies always have to be right. Reminds me of the integration law which has become another complete and utter failure.... but instead of scrapping it and seeing reality, they're making more changes and blaming others! (http://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/forum/index.php?article=36663)

Guess it would be too much to ask these idiots to do something worthwhile, like lock up criminals or even make sure that they are arrested. Nope, that would be too much...


Nieuwe poging in Marokkaanse paspoortkwestie
Uitgegeven: 3 juli 2008 21:20
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DEN HAAG - Marokkaanse Nederlanders zouden vanaf de tweede generatie afstand moeten kunnen doen van hun oorspronkelijke nationaliteit. Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin van Justitie zal er bij de Marokkaanse autoriteiten opnieuw op aandringen dit mogelijk te maken.
Novum

De minister heeft de Tweede Kamer donderdag geschreven dat zijn ambtenaren dit aan de orde zullen stellen tijdens een komend overleg met Marokko. Nederland heeft de gevoelige kwestie rond de dubbele nationaliteit al diverse keren aangekaart.

Dat heeft volgens de bewindsman nog altijd niet tot fundamentele beleidswijzigingen geleid. Marokko staat vrijwel nooit toe dat onderdanen afstand doen van hun nationaliteit.
© ANP

Maybe one of the reasons is that because of the dual citizenship 2nd and 3rd generation Maroccans keep to have strong ties with Marocco and thus keep sending money to Morocco. Holland wants to keep this money for themselves ofcourse. And when the Maroccan elderly buy a 2nd house in Morocco they want the elderly to keep paying taxes to Holland, not partially to Marocco. (Hey there's money involved, what did you expect from Dutchies )
Other way round it's a good reason for Marocco to keep handing out Moroccan passports to anyone remotely related to a Moroccan.

&#*@ Is it Maroccan or Moroccan?

This is the Netherlands, we don't like people to have dual passports!!

Swallow! There is NOTHING you can do about it EXCEPT taking their Dutch citizenship away. Is that really what you want, an official certificate of XENOPHOBIA?

I don't understand why they don't allow or don't want dual citizenship... it means the person wouldn't have the option of being able to go back to their own country to live (may be for supporting family reasons, which would be much more important than supporting a country), which I would have thought, the way things have been here, that that would be much more favourable. I mean it certainly wont make the people who move here, who get citizenship, more supportive of this country... if anything I would have thought much more the opposite. I wonder if they'll ever get it... because in the end, all you full your country up with is disgruntled people who'll end up hating the place having to stay here. Surely better to let the people have dual citizenship so that they can leave...

Is there anyone that you do like?

Other fascists I expect...

People he can meet on sites like "Blood and Honour"or "Landstorm"...

People who are against dual nationality are always people whose parents, place of birth and village in the middle of nowhere are all of the same nationality. Why these people should even have an opinion about dual nationality is beyond me, as it has feck all to do with them and they know nothing about it. I think it stems from jealousy.

jealousy....or fear.

AFAIK even within IND itself there is no unity on the issue of dual nationality. They have people who sympathize with the plight of foreigners and those who don't. I heard of people who were granted dual nationality.

But of course if you ask Henk Poep on the street he will tell you that there must be "alleen een pasport" and "we in Nederland don't like this", of course with no reasonable explanation as to why he thinks this way. Dutch in general are not very good at answering the "why" question. As kids they are taught to obey, not question.

Have to agree with Emilio on this one, I think it is fear driving this backlash, fear that the "dutch way of life" is under threat, their jobs, their homes, I find it a bit sad really.

I beg to disagree. If there is something Dutch kids (and adults!) don't do often in all kinds of situations, it's obeying or following the rules...

Fine! You can keep it! I don't need it as my current citizenship is just perfect ! I am just wondering how do you people not go out on streets and protest various failed policies?

Because bizzarely people like Universeel actually agree with them!! Vocal minority? I sure as hell hope so...

Remember when the Turkish prime minister told to the press that what is required from Turks in NL is in fact assimilation?

The Dutch minister of immigration (Vogelaar?) responded that she "did not understand that comment".

Indeed, I thought, so hard to understand, such a complicated statement he made. But then I suddenly understood what she meant: she assumes that just like in Holland, the elite's only trouble elsewhere is to keep the populace tamed and under control, and therefore the Turkish PM must be only glad if Turks in Holland assimilate. For her a member of the elite sharing simple feelings of his people makes no sense! I think this is the logic that the Dutch government follows in its dealings with other governments on immigration issues. From this point of view Moroccan government must be only glad to agree to abolition of dual nationality, but oeps, surprise surprise, they don't!..

By the way this also goes to show what PvdA has become these days - a bunch of cynical technocrats, nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe I'm not logic, some might even call me "irrational". Anyhow, IMHO, any government which asks its citizens to assimilate abroad but does not allow them to give up their original citizenship in favour of the citizenship of their new "land of hope and glory" is proposing a contradictio in terminis.

Eh? Did I miss something? Moroccan government asked their people to assimilate in Holland??
May I have the URL please?

As to the Turks, I know for a fact that they try to prevent assimilation by all means.

Emilio, I think you might want to check your sources.

There is no contradiction here, the Turkish government does not encourage assimilation of its citizens living abroad. Quite the contrary; Turkish officials have stated that attempts to assimilate ethnic Turks and Turkish immigrants abroad is considered a crime against humanity. Turkey has a special agreement with the EU banning laws that would interfere with the 'Turkish identity' of Turkish immigrants.

so I had misunderstood the post...sorry...