I currently have permanent residence, but got this card in 2004. Since then, I believe Dutch permanent residence cards are actually valid throughout most of the EU. In 2009, do I need to apply for a special EU-wide card, or will the next card automatically include this??

The next card may automatically have it... maybe apply for an early renewal and make sure. It's GOTTA have the EU terminology on it, otherwise you're stuck with the crappy local one.

I just renewed mine for another 5 years (since I want to go after my Dutch citizenship plus it was cheaper since I was applying for my kids too) and was told that if I applied for the permanent permit it would also be considered an EU permit so I could than move around and have the similar rights of an EU citizen.

Ratkat, I think you need to download that form and apply for it now. You should clear - no problem.

I say this because a friend of mine has been here 21 years with her Perm Dutch permit. Every 5 years she has to present a new foto and they press a new card for her - and recently she got it renewed but there was no EG stamp thingy on it.

Since she came here for work ... just recently they called her in to get inbuggered actually!

I think any NEW applicants for the Perm permit get the EU wide card as well .... but if you are past that point, they will just ask for a new foto and give you the same Perm Dutch every 5 years unless you specifically request an EU permit and pay your leges of 160 euros (I believe).

In my case, I got the Perm Dutch perm when I hit my 5 year mark in 2005. Then I heard about the EU permit 2 years later and I applied for it, paid the leges and turned in my card for my new card. It was new back then so there was no form - so I just wrote them a letter. So I did not wait the 5 years until my current perm permit expired to apply for the EU permit.

So now instead of card needing to be renewed (just the foto) in 2010 ... it's been bumped back to 2012.

The back of my Eu/Dutch perm residence permit says 'EG -langdurig ingezetene'. That's what you need to see if you want the EU perm permit.

Also, when the IND called me in to get inbuggered last year, (as I came here for work as well) everything was fine until they saw that EG stamp and then all bets were off. I was told it was 'niet verplict' that I get inbuggered. Go figure.

I say, pay the money and get the EG card now (before some law changes). If anything it will get you out of getting inbuggered!

I looked through the IND website for the EG-card form and couldnt find it. Anyone know if this form is available online or if I order the phone through the IND 0900 number what the exact name of the form is?

You want the form that says ' Aanvraag of wijziging van eenverblijfsvergunning regulier voor onbepaalde tijd'.

Make sure you read the text on page 3 that says ' ...verblijfsvergunning voor onbepaalde tijd met de aantekening ‘EG- langdurig ingezetene’ omdat u als langdurig ingezetene..'

This lets you get the EU Perm. Res. Permit.

Question...my RP also expires in 2009...with the new EU RP, does this mean I can also work in the UK, or is this one of the areas that the UK is in the gray-area about?

The UK Ireland and couple other countries are not participating in the EU RP so no you can't.

A friend of mine (US passport holder) with NL/EU RP still had to apply for a Carte de Séjour for her transfer from her employer's Dutch to their French office. It seems that the participating EU countries are still in the process of recognizing and/or implmenting the use of the new EU permanent residency permit.

That's strange. I have the 'EG -landurig ingezetene' on the back of my RP. But I'm still required to take the NT2 exam for inbuggering according to Gemeente Utrecht. Gemeente Utrecht said I had to take the NT2 exam and that I had 5 years to do it.

Also strange is that the IND said they had nothing to do with the decision of my inbuggering. They kept referring back to Gemeente Utrecht as the ones who made this decision. And Gemeente Utrecht concurred with this and said they were the ones who decided if I would be subjected to inbuggering.

I'm not that bothered about it because I'm good in Dutch and I think I can ace the NT2. Just thought I'd share my story.

Peace,
Andrew

I've posted my story about this issue several times.

Yes, because I had the EU perm permit they specifically told me I did not have to get inbuggered. The entire onderzoek was in Dutch too - which think is odd as I clearly speak Dutch ... but in the end, it was confirmed more than once (and by post) that I do not have to be inbuggered. That was over a year ago.

Now, I live in Den Haag and I've read that each Gemeente is applying the rule as they see fit - so maybe Utrecht is just applying the rule differently.

Hi, I understood 'EG -landurig ingezetene' means you are able to live and work in other EU countries. And I read that UK, Ireland and Denmark have opted out of this.
But I cannot seem to find any country which actually recognises this.
Where can I find this information?
Thanks.

Are you sure you are give 5 years to pass the NT2? If I'm not mistaken since 2007, all the new comers have given only 3 years to pass the NT2.

This is something new to me. What do you mean by EU permanent permit - Permanent Resident? Can one skip to that without having to be on RP for 5 yrs?

Umm I am quite sure.

Of course, I read all the data about the new rule started in Jan. 2007 that applies to all newcomers and oudcomers etc and yes they did call me in for the onderzoek etc .. like I said above.

Like I also said, I have discussed this several times over the last year or so on this forum - I wish I could dig up the threads. In one thread - Chistian Barth (a lawyer) confirmed that this was the case because I was a XXXX (some term he used).

Basically, I definitely do not have to take the NT2 test ever because I have the Perm Eu permit.

PERIOD.

I cannot make myself any clearer. (Again, it may be that my Gemeente (Den Haag) has decided to interpret this law differently than other Gemeentes). No clue.

You misunderstand.

There is the Dutch Permanent Residence Permit and there is the EU Permanent Residence permit.

When you hit your 5 year mark, you can apply for the Dutch Perm Res. permit - which is what I did. Then about a year later I heard that the new EU perm permit could be applied for as well (after you hit the 5 year mark of course). So I wrote to them, told them I already had the Dutch perm permit but I now wanted the EU perm permit. So basically, I ended up paying another (I believe) 161 euro in leges and received the EU Perm. Res. permit which doubles as a Dutch Perm. Res. Permit.

Every 10 years I have to send in another foto and they press another card for me - but no 'papers' are required as in the past.

Then I noticed that they had incorporated the EU Perm Res. Perm form into the regular application form for the Dutch Perm Permit. So now when people hit their 5 year mark, they can apply for the Dutch Perm Res. permit ... which now doubles as the EU Perm Res. Permit ... so they have both.

This permit allows you to live/work in any other EU country without all the work permits issues etc.

I know one girl that used her's to move from Austria to NL and it worked just fine - but all EU countries are not on board with this policy. So if you want to move to another EU country and that country is not on board with this new policy yet - it won't work.

It all takes time.

For example, I first heard about the EU Perm Permit over 7 years ago .... but it took all this time for the Dutch to finally get it implemented. But actually, we are ahead of many other EU countries that are still working on it.

Funny because the usual naysayers on these boards complained that it was never gonna happen etc.. (You have to avoid the negative influences on this board).

Anyway, it all takes time ...

Thank you for the explanation. It gives me a clearer picture

It is ture. When I applied my PermResidency I didn't know about EU permR. I just submitted Dutch PR and I got EU PR few months later.

It is ture. When I applied my PermResidency I didn't know about EU permR. I just submitted Dutch PR appication and I got EU PR few months later.

Why 10 years? Do you mean the EU PR valid for years? If so, why did I get my card only for 5 years?